The July 2009 issue of the IEEE/Computer magazine in its “32 and 16 Years Ago” section remembers that 16 years ago:

Software Engineering (p. 68) “The IEEE Computer Society Board of Governors has approved a motion to establish an ad hoc committee to serve as a steering group for evaluation, planning, coordination, and action related to establishing software engineering as a profession. The action came during the board’s May 21 meeting in Baltimore, Maryland, in conjunction with the International Conference on Software Engineering.”

In the same issue Neville Holmes writes:

“Now software engineering aims to be a branch of engineering, but is finding it difficult to be accepted as such. The problem is that other branches sensibly use the skills and talents of technicians to ensure the success of their professional work. Software engineering doesn’t; it won’t let go of programming”

It took a lot of people and effort to design programming languages and models (procedural, functional, etc) that tried to define how people should practice programming. It took only two pieces of software to make anyone think that is a quality programmer: Access and Visual Basic. So Holmes is right: Let go of programming; it is a lost cause.

After reading one of my posts, John Allen (author of “Anatomy of Lisp“) sent me his unpublished manuscript “Wither Software Engineering” [pdf] and corresponding presentation entitled “More Ballast!” which also deal with the subject of whether Software Engineering is actually a branch of Engineering. You can freely download the pdf slides and audio of an older version of the presentation (Title: History, Mystery and Ballast). In them Allen deals with the transition of traditional Engineering from an experience-based craft to a science-based discipline. Much of the historical data he uses come from “Engineering education in Europe and the USA, 1750-1930“. I have also read “Education, technology, and industrial performance in Europe, 1850-1939” (also translated in Greek) on the subject.

Basically Engineering training followed the path of:

• Apprenticeship for a long period of time under the supervision of an Engineer
• Study (and get certified for) the equipment of a specific manufacturer paying a considerable amound of money, and
• University studies

Does this ring a bell regarding today’s IT arena? It is exactly for this reason that Allen was motivated. Mathematics and Physics transformed traditional Engineering. Can this be done with computation and mathematical logic? His presentation closes with:

It is this kind of education, not Java vocational training, that will bring McCarthy‘s 40+ year old quote to life:

“It is reasonable to hope that the relationship between computation and mathematical logic will be as fruitful in the next century as that between analysis and physics in the past. The development of this relationship demands a concern for both applications and for mathematical elegance.”

At least for programmers we are not there yet. The link between their work and mathematical logic is not obvious for all.

In the closing discussion of HDMS 2009 there was a debate whether “their stuff” could be considered as a branch of Engineering, regardless of liability issues. Alex Labrinidis said “Give us 2000 years to perfect bridge building and then come back asking for liability”. Labrinidis is wrong. Hammurabi solved the issue of Engineering liability back in 1790 BC:

If a builder builds a house for someone, and does not construct it properly, and the house which he built falls in and kills its owner, then the builder shall be put to death.

After the discussion ended Panos Vassiliadis pointed to me Peter J. Denning‘s “Is Software Engineering Engineering?” article which concludes:

“We have not arrived at that point in software engineering practice where we can satisfy all the engineering criteria described in this column. We still need more effective tools, better software engineering education, and wider adoption of the most effective practices. Even more, we need to encourage system thinking that embraces hardware and user environment as well as software.

By understanding the fundamental ideas that link all engineering disciplines, we can recognize how those ideas can contribute to better software production. This will help us construct the engineering reference discipline that Glass tells us is missing from our profession. Let us put this controversy to rest.”

Bertrand Meyer adds that the one sure way to advance software engineering is to “pass a law that requires extensive professional analysis of any large software failure”. Meyer is not alone. “Where are the dead bodies?” asks Derek M. Jones who also writes: “The lack of dead bodies attributed to a software root cause suggests that it is very still early days for the field of high integrity software development.”

There you have it: No dead bodies, no Engineering. Hammurabi knew that long before Engineers did.

You may now want to read “Cargo-cult Engineering” and “It’s not Engineering, Jim“.

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Ένας καλός φίλος μου έστειλε χτες βράδυ με email ένα attachment:

Επειδή ο φίλος δεν μπορούσε να βρει κάποιον να του εξηγήσει πως βρέθηκε αυτό το name tag, ρώτησα τον ίδιο τον Ken Thompson και ιδού η απάντηση:

i dont remember exactly, but i think it was in the mid 80’s. i was invited by the government – department of science or technology or something like that. the occasion was at a time when the government was trying to require unix for sub contractors for standardization.

Ταυτόχρονα ρώτησα και τον Γιάννη Κοροβέση, έναν από τους πρωτεργάτες του Internet στην Ελλάδα:

Λοιπόν, ναι ήμουνα και παρών στο Ξενοδοχείο (Intercontinetal ?) γύρω στα 1989 μαζί με τον ΚΕΝ ήταν και ο B.Gopinath και ένας τρίτος που δεν θυμάμαι προς το παρόν.

Οργανωτής ήταν ο Γιάννης Κοζατσας του ΥΚ της ΓΓΕΤ του τότε (ΥΒΕΤ, Ε=Ερευνα)

Το πιο απλό γεγονός, μία απορία μπορεί να οδηγήσει σε κομάτια της Ελληνικής τεχνολογικής ιστορίας που είναι σχετικά άγνωστα.

Όποιος ξέρει / θυμάται περισσότερα για το γεγονός, παρακαλείται να σχολιάσει.

ΥΓ 2024/09/11 Στο twitter ποσταρίστηκε το σχετικό ρεπορτάζ από τον τότε τύπο: